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rktapparently, falwell has decided teh gays do deserve to work and have shelter, after all. just not in his backyard.
Jerry Falwell Has Gay Epiphany
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
(Lynchburg, Virginia) The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who once blamed gays and feminists for 9-11, now says he supports basic civil rights for gays and lesbians - but with conditions.
In an MSNBC interview Falwell was asked by conservative host Tucker Carlson about complaints from the religious right that gays are always asking for special rights.
''Falwell responded, “Well, housing and employment are not special rights. I think - I think the right to live somewhere and to live where you please or to work where you please, as long as you’re not bothering anybody else, is a basic right, not a - not a special right.”
He repeated the remarks Thursday in an interview with the Lynchburg, Virginia News & Advance.
“I have always believed that all Americans should have basic human rights,” Falwell told the paper. “I’ve made it clear that I don’t consider the right to fair housing or employment a conservative or liberal value. Those are American values.”
It is a marked departure from his earlier position. Falwell frequently referred in the past to "special rights" sought by gays in job protections, housing, and in hate crime laws.
Following 9-11 in an appearance on the religious program The 700 Club, Falwell said: "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'."
Falwell's newfound support for gay civil rights has won praise from the nation's largest LGBT civil rights group.
"You spoke with passion for the civil rights of all Americans — regardless of if they’re gay or straight. Thank you. Fairness is something that we should all agree on so in many ways this was no surprise. One day, I hope you’ll even join me on a trip to Capitol Hill to argue for this basic right," said HRC President Joe Solmonese in a letter to Falwell.
In a media statement Solmonese said that “in recognizing his support, I also hope he supports legislation that would deliver on these values.”
Solmonese and the LGBT community may have to wait some time for that though.
The evangelist told the News & Advance that his support for basic rights does not mean he favors enshrining it in law.
“I don’t think homosexuals should be granted a special minority status,” he told the paper. However, he said that gays, including teachers, should not be denied jobs solely because of their sexuality.
“As long as a person obeys the law and doesn’t recruit a student to a certain lifestyle, they shouldn’t be prevented from teaching,” Falwell said. “Every American should be allowed to work wherever he or she wishes as long as they obey the law.”
He has a caveat for that too, though. He said he is not going to hire gays for teaching positions at Liberty Christian Academy or Liberty University.
"Our doctrinal belief is that homosexuality is wrong,” he said he said. “We also believe heterosexual promiscuity is wrong. Those have been standards since the beginning.”
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/082605falwell.htm
i suppose i'm supposed to be happy and start turning cartwheels.
fuck that, i say. have i ever mentioned that i despise hrc? no. no. no. no. i will NOT be grateful for such bullshit. a pox on both men.
and i never knew that the right to housing was an "american value". never mind, i've been working in the homeless systems of nyc for three years. (where "shelter" is a guaranteed constitutional right, in theory, and seen women sent back to their batterers, despite orders of protection/restraining orders, so they can "work it out"... or something.) i must just be slow.
and recruiting? how can this man ignore the severe social pressures placed on people to adopt "straightness"? i'm not talking ex-gay brainwashing, but the heterosexual normative that so permeates falwell's "america". if anyone does recruiting, it's the hets, not the homos.
oh well, i have a (metaphorical. not literal.) terrorist group to join so that i can further destroy falwell's america.
Jerry Falwell Has Gay Epiphany
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
(Lynchburg, Virginia) The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who once blamed gays and feminists for 9-11, now says he supports basic civil rights for gays and lesbians - but with conditions.
In an MSNBC interview Falwell was asked by conservative host Tucker Carlson about complaints from the religious right that gays are always asking for special rights.
''Falwell responded, “Well, housing and employment are not special rights. I think - I think the right to live somewhere and to live where you please or to work where you please, as long as you’re not bothering anybody else, is a basic right, not a - not a special right.”
He repeated the remarks Thursday in an interview with the Lynchburg, Virginia News & Advance.
“I have always believed that all Americans should have basic human rights,” Falwell told the paper. “I’ve made it clear that I don’t consider the right to fair housing or employment a conservative or liberal value. Those are American values.”
It is a marked departure from his earlier position. Falwell frequently referred in the past to "special rights" sought by gays in job protections, housing, and in hate crime laws.
Following 9-11 in an appearance on the religious program The 700 Club, Falwell said: "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'."
Falwell's newfound support for gay civil rights has won praise from the nation's largest LGBT civil rights group.
"You spoke with passion for the civil rights of all Americans — regardless of if they’re gay or straight. Thank you. Fairness is something that we should all agree on so in many ways this was no surprise. One day, I hope you’ll even join me on a trip to Capitol Hill to argue for this basic right," said HRC President Joe Solmonese in a letter to Falwell.
In a media statement Solmonese said that “in recognizing his support, I also hope he supports legislation that would deliver on these values.”
Solmonese and the LGBT community may have to wait some time for that though.
The evangelist told the News & Advance that his support for basic rights does not mean he favors enshrining it in law.
“I don’t think homosexuals should be granted a special minority status,” he told the paper. However, he said that gays, including teachers, should not be denied jobs solely because of their sexuality.
“As long as a person obeys the law and doesn’t recruit a student to a certain lifestyle, they shouldn’t be prevented from teaching,” Falwell said. “Every American should be allowed to work wherever he or she wishes as long as they obey the law.”
He has a caveat for that too, though. He said he is not going to hire gays for teaching positions at Liberty Christian Academy or Liberty University.
"Our doctrinal belief is that homosexuality is wrong,” he said he said. “We also believe heterosexual promiscuity is wrong. Those have been standards since the beginning.”
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/082605falwell.htm
i suppose i'm supposed to be happy and start turning cartwheels.
fuck that, i say. have i ever mentioned that i despise hrc? no. no. no. no. i will NOT be grateful for such bullshit. a pox on both men.
and i never knew that the right to housing was an "american value". never mind, i've been working in the homeless systems of nyc for three years. (where "shelter" is a guaranteed constitutional right, in theory, and seen women sent back to their batterers, despite orders of protection/restraining orders, so they can "work it out"... or something.) i must just be slow.
and recruiting? how can this man ignore the severe social pressures placed on people to adopt "straightness"? i'm not talking ex-gay brainwashing, but the heterosexual normative that so permeates falwell's "america". if anyone does recruiting, it's the hets, not the homos.
oh well, i have a (metaphorical. not literal.) terrorist group to join so that i can further destroy falwell's america.
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Date: 2005-08-28 03:26 pm (UTC)The real question is: so they won't hire gays, but will they stop expelling students for (suspected or real) homosexuality? They average about 10 students a year on "sexual misconduct with a member of the same gender" charges, and it doesn't have to be proven. They didn't expel two studnets caught in the act of burglary at RMWC, but did expel a girl on our rugby team for cavorting with lesbians at a rugby party. This was a girl who was engaged to be married and hadn't even kissed her fiance. She wasn't exactly politically gay friendly, but she accepted people for who they were and didn't act towards us in a discriminatory way. And for this she was expelled? Do gay students have a right to education? Even a Liberty mis-education? Another member of our team was careful about being out because her neice and nephew went to the prep school, LCA, and they could be kicked out for having a relationship with her. It's sick. I'm just glad to be out of Lynchburg. It taught me well how the other half lives, but I'm never leaving the northeast again.
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Date: 2005-08-29 06:52 pm (UTC)it's a culture shock, i'll tell you.
but i'm soooo sorry on your behalf that you had to survive that.
i thought brother jed's preaching's on the campus mall were bad, but i also found them pathetically amusing.
pooh.
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Date: 2005-08-30 04:41 am (UTC)1) To have anal sex in the back seats of cars (after all, anal sex isn't real sex so both participants remain "virgins" - these were straight kids mind you, heterosexual couplings if you will)
2) To thump bibles.
Have I shown you my favorite tract that was given to me by a Liberty kid in their "evangelism and prostetilyzing" class? Held in one direction, it says "Life". Turn it upside down and it says "Death". I keep it in my wallet its so nifty.
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Date: 2005-08-30 05:19 pm (UTC)i don't get the whole "virginity" idolization thing, anyway. with or without the P-I-V definition.
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Date: 2005-08-29 05:05 am (UTC)Nice icon.
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Date: 2005-08-29 06:54 pm (UTC)for seriously.
the icon's lovely, ain't it? thanks it fit.